To All,
Good Wednesday Morning July 10. The fog was pretty heavy this morning but is clearing quickly now and the temps are headed to 90 again today. No more trips to the other house. It is sold.
A bit of news and opinion from around the world this morning. We should get caught up once in a while.
Over 100 students for the summer quarter so it will be busy and fun.
Warm Regards,
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This day in Naval and Marine Corps History (thanks to NHHC)
Here is a link to the NHHC website: https://www.history.navy.mil/. Go here to see the director's corner for all 83 H-Grams
This Day in Navy and Marine Corps History:
July 10
1934 President Franklin D. Roosevelt travels to Cartagena, Columbia, by USS Houston (CA 30). His visit was the first by a U.S. president to South America.
1943 In Operation Husky, naval gunfire helps Allied troops land on Sicily, Italy. It is the first extensive use of LST's and smaller landing craft to deliver heavy equipment over the beach.
1945 USS Runner (SS 476) sinks the Japanese minesweeper (No.27) off Tado Saki, Honshu.
1945 - 14 carriers from Third Fleet carriers begin air strikes on Japanese Home Islands which end 15 August
1971 USS Ponce (AFSB 15) is commissioned. The final Austin-class amphibious transport dock is named after a city in the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.
1993 USS Nebraska (SSBN 739) is commissioned at New London, Conn., the 14th Ohio-class submarine.
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Today in World History July 10
1520 The Spanish explorer Hernan Cortes is driven from Tenochtitlan and retreats to Tlaxcala.
1609 The Catholic states in Germany set up a league under the leadership of Maximilian of Bavaria.
1679 The British crown claims New Hampshire as a royal colony.
1776 The statue of King George III is pulled down in New York City.
1778 In support of the American Revolution, Louis XVI declares war on England.
1850 Millard Fillmore is sworn in as the 13th president of the United States following the death of Zachary Taylor.
1890 Wyoming becomes the 44th state.
1893 Dr. Daniel Hale Williams performs the first successful open-heart surgery, without the benefit of penicillin or blood transfusion.
1925 The trial of Tennessee teacher John T. Scopes opens, with Clarence Darrow appearing for the defense and William Jennings Bryan for the prosecution.
1940 Germany begins the bombing of England.
1942 General Carl Spaatz becomes the head of the U.S. Air Force in Europe.
1943 American and British forces complete their amphibious landing of Sicily.
1945 U.S. carrier-based aircraft begin airstrikes against Japan in preparation for invasion.
1951 Armistice talks between the United Nations and North Korea begin at Kaesong.
1960 Belgium sends troops to the Congo to protect whites as the Congolese Bloodbath begins, just 10 days after the former colony became independent of Belgian rule.
1962 The satellite Telstar is launched from Cape Canaveral, Florida, beaming live television from Europe to the United States.
1965 "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" becomes the Rolling Stones' first No. 1 single in the USA.
1967 Singer Bobbie Gentry records "Ode to Billie Joe," which will become a country music classic and win 4 Grammys.
1976 In Seveso, near Milan, Italy, an explosion in a chemical factory covers the surrounding area with toxic dioxin. Time magazine has ranked the Seveso incident No. 8 on its list of the 10 worst environmental disasters.
1985 Coca-Cola Co. announces it will resume selling "old formula Coke," following a public outcry and falling sales of its "new Coke."
1991 Boris Yeltsin is sworn in as the first elected president of the Russian Federation, following the breakup of the USSR.
1993 Kenyan runner Yobes Ondieki becomes the first man to run 10,000 meters in less than 27 minutes.
1940 The Battle of Britain begins as the Luftwaffe attempts to destroy the RAF in anticipation of a German invasion of England
1943 Allied forces commence the invasion of Sicily
1965 MiGs shot down as bombing of North Vietnam continues »
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OPERATION COMMANDO HUNT Thanks to the Bear
Skip… For The List for the week beginning Monday, 8 July 2024 and ending Sunday, 14 July 2024… Bear🇺🇸⚓️🐻
OPERATION COMMANDO HUNT (1968-1972)
From the archives of rollingthunderremembered.com post for 7 July 1969… "At the going down of the sun, and in the morning, we shall remember them."
OPERATION COMMANDO HUNT (1968-1972)
(Please note the eye-watering ongoing revamp of the RTR website by Webmaster/Author Dan Heller, who has inherited the site from originators RADM Bear Taylor, USN, Retired, and Angie Morse, "Mighty Thunder")…
To remind folks that these are from the Vietnam Air Losses site that Micro put together. You click on the url below and can read what happened each day to the aircraft and its crew. .Micro is the one also that goes into the archives and finds these inputs and sends them to me for incorporation in the List. It is a lot of work and our thanks goes out to him for his effort.
From Vietnam Air Losses site for "for 10 July
July 10: https://www.vietnamairlosses.com/loss.php?id=674
This following work accounts for every fixed wing loss of the Vietnam War and you can use it to read more about the losses in The Bear's Daily account. Even better it allows you to add your updated information to the work to update for history…skip
Vietnam Air Losses Access Chris Hobson and Dave Lovelady's work at: https://www.VietnamAirLosses.com.
This is a list of all Helicopter Pilots Who Died in the Vietnam War . Listed by last name and has other info https://www.vhpa.org/KIA/KIAINDEX.HTM
MOAA - Wall of Faces Now Includes Photos of All Service members Killed in the Vietnam War
(This site was sent by a friend . The site works, find anyone you knew in "search" feature. https://www.vvmf.org/Wall-of-Faces/ )
Wall of Faces Now Includes Photos of All Service members Killed in the Vietnam War
By: Kipp Hanley
AUGUST 15, 2022
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What was bad about the F-4?
More on Fantoomery:
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Dear Iftach,
I need to point out that both Lonny's combat airplane and my Reserve Phantoms were F-4N's--rebuilt F-4B's, the first fleet models. If the rebuild involved any improvements other than a new coat of paint, I don't know what they might be. Subsequent models had many substantial improvements, starting with switch positions after the Ault Report, better radar, maneuvering slats, and on…
I was Squadron Maintenence Officer, and the aircraft we received were in poor shape under the new shiny paint. Most of our mtc personnel were new to the airplane and systems, despite my year long crusade to send some of them off for training. We had only a few back seaters with F-4 fleet experience, and most of the remainder were only good for resetting circuit breakers. Maybe. I think we had two former fleet Phantom pilots. The powers that be transferred in a TAR Phantom skipper from the West Coast, which completely upset succession of the people I would have to suffer under as OPS Officer and Executive Officer. For this and other personal reasons, I eventually took my bat, ball, and glove and went home.
For our first two week active duty deployment, there were only two Naval Air Stations that could service our radars, Key West and Miramar. Thankfully, we were able to go to Key West, which was a joy for operating. We had our own dedicated Reserve tankers and adversary pilots. It was lots of fun, but we lost an airplane due to a flameout from fuel exhaustion: switchology plus failure of an autotransfer backup. They rendezvous'd after an engagement above an overcast, and the plane flamed out. They ejected over some very deep water, and the plane was not recoverable, though the pilot and RIO were. They had to answer lots of questions….including under hypnosis.
I did like the "brick with power" flying, but I didn't fly it long enough to enjoy fighting in buffet all the time. GENERALLY, all other tactical aircraft, you pulled to buffet, then eased off some. After the medieval Crusader cockpit instrumentation, I did like the Phantom for instrument flying, and it was the easiest Navy airplane I ever flew for GCA's and on the glide slope.
I still think your low speed scissors fight with the Syrian Mig-21 is the best dogfight sequence I've ever read, and I've studied a lot of dogfights.
Once again, my admiration and Hand Salute!
Jack
On Jul 9, 2023, at 12:05 PM, Iftach Spector wrote
Dear Pruesome,
To evaluate the F-4 now is like mourning a good uncle, on the 40 years' anniversary....
Just a few words: the F-4 was a monster, for good and for bad. It could fight ONLY if its pilots were excellent - which is not true for "normal" mach-2 fighters of his time and surely for the MiG-17.
Still, my friends and I, who managed to survive, remember it with much sympathy.
Yours,
Iftach Spector
On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 7:32 PM Jack Woodul wrote:
Dear Iftach,
Thot you might be interested in these comments about the USN Phantoms, one from a relative low timer (me) and another by a pro, CAPT Lonnie McClung.
Hope you and yours are abiding.
Jack
I remember (I hope close enough) this from a T0P GUN document:
Ten thousand feet lufberry, clean F-4 could stay across the circle from an A-4 adversary at 550 knots and six G's.
If they had two sets of good eyes to keep the little bugger in sight for the short time before BINGO.
Smoke? The chap with radar contact stayed in basic smokey engine beak to beak; wingie would go min burner to eliminate the smoke and climb to an abeam perch. Hopefully, the bad guy would padlock on the smoker, which would crank on a turn away from the wingie, who would hopefully be in a position to stuff a winder up the bad guy's pooter chasing lead.
I dinna fly the thing long enough to get much trickier than that.
Jack
Thanks to Lonny ...
Subject: Re: What was bad about the F-4?
A couple things bad about the F-4. Radar reliability. Sometimes a cat shot would fix the radar and sometimes it would fail the radar. You were never 100% sure you would have a radar after getting airborne. F-14 radar was much more reliable.
Smoke from J-79 in basic engine.
High fuel burn. 100# a minute in max conserve on CAP station. 1500#/minute in burner on the cat shot.
Tube type radios in early F-4s would fail often. NORDO brief important.
Stability on cat shots. Easy to overrotate.
Poor turn rate at slower airspeeds. You had to stay fast, high G and take the fight vertical.
Good things. J-79 was a very reliable engine
Acceleration in vertical fight.
Very stable in power approach configuration coming aboard.
Stable for air to air tanking.
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From the archives from a Bubba
Thanks to Pete
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This morning's List mentioned a sub kill by VP-94 on this date:
1943—PBY (VP 94) sinks German submarine (U 590) at the mouth of the Amazon River, Brazil.
Attached are some BDA photos, taken from the step of 94-P-10, my dad's PBY, if you are interested. I've got the official action summary as well!
My father was flying copilot in 94-P-10 (PBY-5A) that morning with his best friend (Ltjg Frank Hare) in the left seat (their lineal numbers were 1 # apart, and most crews alternated left & right seats on the long patrols). My dad spotted a sub on the surface, after another PBY (Ltjg Auslander 94-P-1) radioed that they had seen another 60 miles away. When Frank Hare rolled into the surfaced sub, their PBY was lit up by 50 cal fire from the sub. Apparently, the Germans were losing too many subs to the PBY's in the clear blue waters off Brazil, so they changed their tactics and decided to fight it out on the surface with the slow PBY's.
The first shots killed Frank Hare immediately, wounded my father in the left leg, and seriously wounded the port blister gunner. My dad was able to pull out, circle the sub and re-attack it, dropping 2 depth charges which apparently crippled the sub, because it didn't dive again. They remained circling overhead, radioing for backup; both sides licking their wounds. Until later, when Auslander arrived in 94-P-1 and finished off the sub.
My father never talked about this event in any detail; PTSD I suppose. I found out about it mostly in some books and war histories, and from some of his squadron mates. I'm an F-8 guy; I can't imagine having your best friend get blown away two feet away from you, and continuing the mission for another 3 hours!
Big day in my family! I was born 1 year later; probably conceived during his R&R recuperation!
Pete Phelps
Litning
Sub Kill report from 9 July 1943
The night of July 7-8, convoy TJ-1 was attacked in the Trinidad area, two ships being sunk and others damaged. Planes were immediately despatched from Belem to operate out of Amapa, taking over coverage of the convoys. On the morning of 9 July several sightings were made at a distance, both by planes and surface craft, indicating that the attack was being continued. BT-18 was entering the area from the South at this time and is was necessary for five planes in Belem and a limited number of pilots to give night and day coverage and fly daylight sweeps. Lt. (jg) Stanley Ernest Auslander, USNR, 104 673, Lt(jg) John Milton Elliot, USNR, 113 067, Lt.(jg) Frank Joseph McMackin Jr., USNR, 112 627, in 94-P-1, enroute to relieve on convoy coverage, sighted the swirl of a submerging submarine just before noon and advised the base that gambit tactics would be employed. At approximately 1230 Peter, 94-P-10 sweeping the area immediately east of TJ-1 sighted a surfaced submarine about 60 miles distant from the swirl sighting. Just after starting the first leg of the sweep at 1235 Peter, the co-pilot sighted the U-boat 12 miles distant at 03-54 North, 49-52 West. The submarine apparently did not see the plane until quite late for no attempt to submerge was made. At a distance of more than a mile from the submarine, orange flecks from the submarine's anti-aircraft fire were noticed, and almost immediately thereafter an explosive shrapnel shell enterd the bow on the port side exploding against the instrument panel, setting fire to the Sperry oil, and causing billowing smoke and flame. The pilot, Lt. (jg) Frank Fisher Hare, USNR, 112 640 was struck by shrapnel in the head, heart, and body. The run was continued and the two starboard depth bombs released. Interrogation of those of the crew who could see the drop of bombs indicated that they landed close together, approximately 25 to 35 feet from the stern of the submarine and about 45 degrees to starboard. There was no visible indication of damage. The bow gunner fired his .30 calibre guns continuously during the approach and the port blister ;.50 calibre gun was brought to bear after the drop. About 20 to 30 minutes after the original attack, the plane departed, the submarine being still surfaced. The evaluation of the attack was "no damage." 94-P-1 and 107-B-5 investigated the area about 1300 Peter, but found no traces of the submarine.
The complement of the aircraft included:
Pilot Lt. (jg) Frank Fisher Hare, USNR, 112 640 Co-Pilot Lt (jg) Jean Price Phelps, USNR, 112 158 Navigator Lt.(jg) Michael Carl Argento, USNR, 112 141 Tower Lombardo, Joseph (n), AMM3c, 316 78 75, USN Bow Eisaman, Clifford Emery, AMM3c, 652 10 02, USNR Starboard
Blister Testen, Andrew Frank, AOM3c, 613 99 69, USNR Port
Blister Brown, Thomas Russell, ARM3c, 268 81 22, USN Radio Lack, James Thomas, ARM3c, 356 66 90, USN
Lt(jg) Hare was posthumously awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Purple Heart. J Price Phelps was awarded the Air Medal and Purple Heart for wounds sustained from the initial attack as well as for continuing the attack and probably damaging the sub; causing it to remain on the surface for Lt Auslander's later attack and kill. Meanwhile, 94-P-1 continued its gambit and at 1424 Peter, a surfacing submarine was sighted about three miles dead ahead, position 03-22 North, 48-38 West. The plane was flying at 3700 feet over a broken cloud base of .4 to .6 cumulus at 1700 feet and had just passed through a fairly heavy cloud. The U-Boat was about 2 1/2 miles distant. As the pilots could not see the submarine, the nose was pushed over to bring it into view. Water was running from its decks and within a few seconds it was fully surfaced, cruising at about 15 knots on 125 degrees true. The pilot held the plane in a dive directly toward the submarine, without changing course and threw on the bombing switch. Lt. (jg) McMackin blew the warning horn and rushed to the waist compartment to take pictures of the enemy underseas craft through the port blister. The throttles were cut, but still the plane attained a speed of 200 knots indicated. At an altitude of about 150 feet, Lt.(jg) Elliot released the depth bombs by intervalometer spaced at 73 feet. The submarine was fully surfaced, proceeding on course, and there was no evidence that the crew, three or four of whom could be seen in the conning tower, were aware of the approach of the plane. An easy turn to port was made after the plane was pulled out of its dive and while the spray was still visible. When the water subsided no trace of the submarine would be seen. All of the occupants of the waist hatch were thrown into the bilges by the pull-up. The gunner had been firing the .50 calibre and had sprayed the conning tower with 7 to 10 rounds. As he fell, the gun was apparently elevated, so that one or two bullets went through the starboard wing of the plane. No serious damage was done. While circling, a greenish-brown slick was visible and in the center of it, two swimming men, a large timber, several small articles and two boxes. A crew member then reported seeing three additional men in the water and Lt.(jg) Elliot spotted them on the next approach. Five were counted at this time, but three apparently sank very quickly. A life raft was dropped, but drifted away before the swimmers could reach it Four life jackets were dropped, two inflated and two uninflated and the survivors appeared to get into the inflated ones. Emergency rations were also dropped within reach. Four minutes after the drop a large amount of oil started to rise two or three hundred yards from the slick along the sub's track and observation showed the slick continuing to grow in length and breadth to a size of half to a mile long and a quarter of a mile wide. There was no forward motion to the oil slick. The attack was assessed as "probably sunk." 94-P-1 was manned as follows:
Pilot Lt.(jg) Stanley Ernest Auslander, USNR, 104 673 Co-Pilot Lt.(jg) John Milton Elliot, USNR, 113 067 Navigator Lt.(jg) Frank Joseph McMackin, Jr.,USNR, 112 627 Port Blister Denauw, Frank Joseph, AMM2c, 606 19 58, USNR Starboard Blister Watson, John Harry, ARM2c, 406 77 87, USN Radio Garren, Hoyt Edwin, ARM2c, 296 00 73, USN Bow Smith, Elmer Bryant, AMM3c, 268 81 81, USN Tower Mustone, Joseph James, Jr., AOM3c, 607 52 10, USNR
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For any of you that may be Art enthusiasts….I am not
Thanks to History Facts
Revealing Facts About 5 Celebrated Painters
Artists such as Pablo Picasso and Georgia O'Keeffe may be household names, but far more is known about the paintings they created than who they were as individuals. While the lives of these masters are undoubtedly intertwined with their most recognized brushstrokes, their interesting and complicated legacies extend well beyond the canvas. Here are five fascinating facts about some of the biggest names in the art world.
Pablo Picasso Was Accused of Stealing the "Mona Lisa"
Picasso is well known for his surrealist artworks, but the legendary Spanish painter also had a real surreal experience of his own in 1911. That year, on August 21, Leonardo da Vinci's masterpiece the "Mona Lisa" vanished from Paris' Louvre Museum, and Picasso was deemed a suspect. Though there was no direct evidence linking Picasso to the brazen heist, the accusations stemmed from the artist's relationship with a known art thief named Honore-Joseph Géry Pieret.Pieret was the former secretary of Picasso's Paris housemate, Guillaume Apollinaire. In fact, four years before the "Mona Lisa" was stolen, Pieret nabbed two Iberian sculptures from the Louvre and sold them to Picasso; the artist even used one of the statues as the inspiration for a face in his 1907 painting "Les Demoiselles d'Avignon." Upon learning that Pieret was a person of interest in the theft of the "Mona Lisa," Picasso and Apollinaire planned to throw the stolen art that was in their possession into the river Seine, though ultimately they could not bring themselves to do so. Instead, Picasso was brought before a magistrate and lied, claiming he had never met Apollinaire. In the end, the case was thrown out and Picasso and Apollinaire were cleared two years later, when a handyman named Vincenzo Peruggia was caught attempting to sell the "Mona Lisa" to a Florentine art dealer.
Vincent Van Gogh Sold Only One Known Painting During His Life
Though he's now considered one of history's most talented artists, the painter behind such masterpieces as "The Starry Night" and "Sunflowers" was far from a success during his lifetime. Van Gogh took up painting around age 27 and met his untimely demise just a decade later, and in the years between he sold only one painting that there is any record of, "The Red Vineyard." The piece, a dramatic Provençal landscape with vibrant red, orange, and yellow colors, was sold for 400 Belgian francs (approximately $2,000 today) in the winter of 1890 at an exhibition in Brussels, just six months before the artist's death.While "The Red Vineyard" is Van Gogh's only officially recorded sale, historians theorize that he possibly bartered other paintings, especially at an early age in exchange for art supplies. Van Gogh biographer Marc Edo Tralbaut has also suggested that the artist may have sold a self-portrait to London art dealers in 1888, though his theory has not been proved.
Georgia O'Keeffe Painted From the Backseat of Her Model-A Ford
Modernist artist Georgia O'Keeffe sought to be closely connected with the scenic New Mexican landscape that was the subject of many of her works. Part of maintaining that connection meant painting outdoors, though the area was known for its unrelenting heat and plentiful bee swarms. Undeterred, O'Keeffe came up with an idea that would protect her from the elements while she painted. During her first visit to New Mexico, she had purchased a custom Model-A Ford to explore the land with. It had detachable front seats, and she would remove the passenger seat and spin the driver's seat around to face the back. This allowed her to set up a canvas on the back seat while sitting comfortably and using the car as protection from the sun and insects.O'Keeffe was said to be a fearless driver by her friends, and she took her vehicle throughout the state and set up her mobile art studio wherever she found inspiration. She found opportunities to connect with nature outside of the car as well, often hiking and camping in the desert terrain and bundling up during the colder months so she could continue to paint. O'Keeffe was also known to paint from inside her bedroom window overlooking the Chama River Valley, maintaining that unbreakable connection with nature. The artist's efforts to experience the world around her paid off, as she produced some 2,000 paintings, many of which centered around local flowers and majestic southwestern landscapes.
Salvador Dalí's Mustache Is Reportedly Still Intact
Surrealist artist Salvador Dalí was the epitome of eccentricity. His avant-garde paintings redefined the art world, and his unconventional stunts — such as keeping an ocelot as a pet — only grew his legend. Though Dalí died in 1989 at the age of 84, his most striking physical feature, his mustache, is reportedly still intact.
Few individuals wore as recognizable a mustache as Dalí. And according to Narcís Bardalet, the embalmer who tended to Dalí's body after his death, the iconic facial hair was still in place when Bardalet exhumed the body in 2017 to collect DNA for a paternity claim. The facial hair was perfectly situated "[like clock hands at] 10 past 10, just as he liked it," Bardalet observed. While still alive, Dalí was known to be proud of his distinctive handlebar mustache; he once claimed that he and French novelist Marcel Proust used the "same kind of pomade" for their curls. The mustache was even the subject of a book, 1954's Dali's Mustache: A Photographic Interview, which the artist himself co-authored with photographer Philippe Halsman. The book features their interview alongside 28 images of Dalí's unique and seemingly immortal facial hair.
Frida Kahlo Took Up Painting After a Tragic Bus Accident
Mexican artist Frida Kahlo was on her way to becoming not a painter but a doctor when tragedy struck on September 17, 1925. During a bus ride, Kahlo was crushed in a terrifying and near-fatal accident that left her confined to a bed for many months after. No longer able to pursue her medical dreams, Kahlo turned to painting to cope with the loneliness of her recovery, discovering a new passion that saw her become one of the most celebrated painters in history.Kahlo's accident and recovery not only forced her to shift career trajectories, but also left her with deep and complex emotions that she conveyed through her art. It was a rarity at the time for female artists to be so open and expressive about their inner worlds, but Kahlo's works defied those barriers. The trauma that she endured in the wake of the accident came through in paintings such as 1929's "The Bus," which captures a seemingly innocuous moment just before the fateful accident. In 1944, she painted the macabre piece "The Broken Column," showing a leatherback brace that she wore for many years even after her initial recovery. Throughout the rest of her career, Kahlo never shied away from expressing her true self in her paintings, no matter how honest and dark the subject matter.
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What's your take on this?
S/F,
- Mud
In a message dated 7/9/2024 6:07:48 AM Central Daylight Time, bayardsnowden@aol.com writes:
War With Hezbollah Is Inevitable
Gadi Taub
5–6 minutes
July 8, 2024
Since Oct. 7, the Biden administration has been preoccupied, above all, with preventing the Gaza war from spreading to the north and escalating into a no-holds-barred war with Hezbollah.
There's ample reason for the administration's concern: a full-fledged war between Israel and Iran's largest proxy can bring the administration's whole Middle East policy tumbling down, since it will force the White House to make a public choice: It will have to abandon its quest for accommodation with Iran, and take a clear pro-Israeli stand, or else risk exposing the price that its Iran policy always entailed – exposing Israel to existential danger while simultaneously alienating America's Arab allies who fear Iranian regional hegemony.
But preventing a war between Israel and Hezbollah will prove harder than the administration realizes. Many tens of thousands of Israelis have been displaced from their homes in the north, and they will not return as long as Hezbollah can fire at them at will.
Moreover, Israel has glimpsed the possibility of another Holocaust. Though Hamas is incapable of fulfilling its genocidal aspirations, Iran may well be, and Hezbollah is a crucial part of Tehran's plans. In the long run, Israel simply cannot tolerate such a malignant and formidable enemy on its doorstep.
Many Israelis now speak of the war in Gaza as our second War of Independence. That analogy is imperfect. A better analogy is the Suez-Sinai War of 1956.
The Suez-Sinai War came on the heels of a deal known as the Czech Arms Deal that Gamal Abdel Nasser, Egypt's charismatic leader, concluded with the Soviets in 1955. Nasser aspired to unite the Arab world under his leadership and then mobilize a pan-Arab army to destroy the Jewish state. The arms deal tipped the military balance in Egypt's favor. Israel realized it would have to strike before Nasser would be able to tie a noose all around it.
Opportunity came after Nasser nationalized the Suez Channel. Britain, France, and Israel conspired to initiate a war designed to restore European control of the channel. It failed to do so, not least because President Eisenhower forced the conspirators to restore the status quo. But it resulted in a major gain for Israel: a devastating blow to the Egyptian army.
But that was just a first step. Cutting Nasser's noose required three more wars and a political sea change: the 1967 Six Days War, the 1970 War of Attrition, and the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Only with the signing of the Camp David Accords in 1978, 23 years after the 1955 Czech deal, did Egypt abandon its plan to strangle Israel.
We now face an Iranian noose similar to Nasser's. "We are engaged in a struggle for our survival," said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the Knesset on June 24. "The struggle is taking place on seven fronts [and] is led by Iran."
Apart from Hezbollah in the north and Gaza in the south, there are Shiite militias in Syria and West Iraq backed by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Hamas forces in the West Bank, the Houthis down south at the straits of the Red Sea, and Iran itself. We cannot tell how many wars it will take to destroy this noose – this "ring of fire," as the Iranians call it – but we may well be facing a decade of armed struggle with Iran and its proxies.
We have come to see that war with Hezbollah is inevitable. We know, too, that it is bound to be the most devastating war yet in terms of loss of Israeli lives and that it would be very difficult to wage it against American resistance. Difficult, but not impossible.
Not waging it, however, will be harder for Israel's leadership – whoever that may be. The war may be delayed, but no Israeli government can leave the north of the country deserted forever. "Diplomatic solutions" and "international guarantees" are not likely to work since people will vote with their feet. They will probably not return home if they feel their children will face the danger of horrors the likes of which we saw on Oct. 7.
Israel's government will probably use the diplomacy to buy time to prepare for the coming war. Since the 1956 war and its aftermath, Israel cannot sit idly by and wait for a noose – which may soon be backed up by nuclear weapons – to be tightened around our neck. That is what "Never Again!" now means.
A war with Hezbollah will not be the tail end of the Gaza war, as the administration seems to frame it. It is rather the next step in an inevitable showdown with Iran. The United States does not have to send its troops to fight it. But it would do well to look Middle Eastern realities in the eye. Doing so may lead it to accede to Netanyahu's Churchillian request: Give us the tools, and we'll finish the job. For your sake, not just ours.
- III
In a message dated 7/8/2024 2:31:06 PM Central Daylight Time, swfaalaw@earthlink.net writes:
Chilling. I think this will catch the US completely flat-footed. And it couldn't be a more dangerous time in the west,
With new, untested, governments in the great powers of Europe, and the US in a state of flux with an impaired leader.
S. W. Farnsworth III
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July 10,
This Day in US Military History
1863 – Under Rear Admiral Dahlgren, ironclads U.S.S. Catskill, Commander G.W. Rodgers; Montauk, Commander Fairfax; Nahant, Commander Downes; and Weehawken, Commander Colhoun, bombarded Confederate defenses on Morris Island, Charleston harbor, supporting and covering a landing by Army troops under Brigadier General Quincy A. Gillmore. Close in support of the landing was rendered by small boats, under Lieutenant Commander Francis M. Bunce, armed with howitzers, from the blockading ships in Light House Inlet, The early morning assault followed the plan outlined by General Gillmore a week earlier in a letter to Rear Admiral Du Pont: "I cannot safely move without assistance from the Navy. We must have that island or Sullivan's Island as preliminary to any combined military and naval attack on the interior defenses of Charleston harbor. . . . I consider a naval force abreast of Morris Island as indispensable to cover our advance upon the Island and restrain the enemy's gunboats and ironclads."
1940 – The Germans begin the first in a long series of bombing raids against Great Britain, as the Battle of Britain, which will last three and a half months, begins. After the occupation of France by Germany, Britain knew it was only a matter of time before the Axis power turned its sights across the Channel. And on July 10, 120 German bombers and fighters struck a British shipping convoy in that very Channel, while 70 more bombers attacked dockyard installations in South Wales. Although Britain had far fewer fighters than the Germans-600 to 1,300-it had a few advantages, such as an effective radar system, which made the prospects of a German sneak attack unlikely. Britain also produced superior quality aircraft. Its Spitfires could turn tighter than Germany's ME109s, enabling it to better elude pursuers; and its Hurricanes could carry 40mm cannon, and would shoot down, with its American Browning machine guns, over 1,500 Luftwaffe aircraft. The German single-engine fighters had a limited flight radius, and its bombers lacked the bomb-load capacity necessary to unleash permanent devastation on their targets. Britain also had the advantage of unified focus, while German infighting caused missteps in timing; they also suffered from poor intelligence. But in the opening days of battle, Britain was in immediate need of two things: a collective stiff upper lip–and aluminum. A plea was made by the government to turn in all available aluminum to the Ministry of Aircraft Production. "We will turn your pots and pans into Spitfires and Hurricanes," the ministry declared. And they did.
1943 – Operation Husky: The Allied landings begin. Patton's 7th Army lands in the Gulf of Gela between Licata and Scoglitti. Assault elements of the 180th and 157th Infantry regiments, both part of the 45th Infantry Division (AZ, CO, OK) storm ashore as part of the invasion of Sicily. They meet little resistance and quickly move to secure the British right flank as it moves north to take Messina, the island's closest point to the Italian mainland. This operation marked the first time any Allied force attacked an Axis power on its home ground. The Italians soon overthrow their dictator, Benito Mussolini and asked the Allies for peace. However, the Germans quickly moved large numbers of troops into the country and fought the Allies all the way back to the Alps, not surrendering until the end of the war on May 8, 1945.
1945 – US Task Force 38 aircraft, 1022 in all, raid 70 air bases in the Tokyo area, destroying 173 Japanese planes. Only light anti-aircraft fire is encountered. This is the first time that elements of the US 3rd Fleet have attacked Tokyo. Included in the task force carrying out the raids are the aircraft carriers Lexington, Essex, Independence and San Jacinto, the battleships Indiana, Massachusetts, South Dakota and Iowa, the cruisers Chicago, San Juan, Springfield and Atlanta and 14 destroyers. Tokyo radio refers to the "dark shadow of invasion" in mention of the raid.
1950 – At Taejon, Lieutenant Harold E. Morris demonstrated a T-6 trainer aircraft to be better suited for the airborne controller mission than liaison aircraft.
1950 – The first engagement between U.S. and North Korean tanks occurred near Chonui. One enemy T-34 was destroyed while two outclassed U.S. M-24 Chafee light tanks were lost. Near Pyongtaek, the Air Force achieved its greatest single-day destruction of enemy tanks and trucks during the war
1965 – U.S. planes continue heavy raids in South Vietnam and claim to have killed 580 guerrillas. U.S. Phantom jets, escorting fighter-bombers in a raid on the Yen Sen ammunition depot northwest of Hanoi, engaged North Vietnamese MiG-17s. Capt. Thomas S. Roberts with his backseater Capt. Ronald C. Anderson, and Capt. Kenneth E. Holcombe and his backseater Capt. Arthur C. Clark shot down two MiG-17s with Sidewinder missiles. The action marked the first U.S. Air Force air-to-air victories of the Vietnam War.
1967 – Outnumbered South Vietnamese troops repel an attack by two battalions of the 141st North Vietnamese Regiment on a military camp five miles east of An Loc, 60 miles north of Saigon. Communist forces captured a third of the base camp before they were thrown back with the assistance of U.S. and South Vietnamese air and artillery strikes. Farther to the north, U.S. forces suffered heavy casualties in two separate battles in the Central Highlands. In the first action, about 400 men of the 173rd Airborne Brigade came under heavy fire from North Vietnamese machine guns and mortars during a sweep of the Dak To area near Kontum. Twenty-six Americans were killed and 49 were wounded. In the second area clash, 35 soldiers of the U.S. 4th Infantry Division were killed and 31 were wounded in fighting.
The Medal of Honor Citations for Actions Taken This Day
*PARLE, JOHN JOSEPH
Rank and organization: Ensign, U.S. Naval Reserve. Born: 26 May 1920, Omaha, Nebr. Accredited to: Nebraska. Citation: For valor and courage above and beyond the call of duty as Officer-in-Charge of Small Boats in the U.S.S. LST 375 during the amphibious assault on the island of Sicily, 9-10 July 1943. Realizing that a detonation of explosives would prematurely disclose to the enemy the assault about to be carried out, and with full knowledge of the peril involved, Ens. Parle unhesitatingly risked his life to extinguish a smoke pot accidentally ignited in a boat carrying charges of high explosives, detonating fuses and ammunition. Undaunted by fire and blinding smoke, he entered the craft, quickly snuffed out a burning fuse, and after failing in his desperate efforts to extinguish the fire pot, finally seized it with both hands and threw it over the side. Although he succumbed a week later from smoke and fumes inhaled, Ens. Parle's heroic self-sacrifice prevented grave damage to the ship and personnel and insured the security of a vital mission. He gallantly gave his life in the service of his country.
*SCHOONOVER, DAN D.
Rank and organization: Corporal, U.S. Army, Company A, 13th Engineer Combat Battalion, 7th Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Sokkogae, Korea, 8 to 10 July 1953. Entered service at: Boise, Idaho. Born: 8 October 1933, Boise, Idaho. G.O. No.: 5, 14 January 1955. Citation: Cpl. Schoonover, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and outstanding courage above and beyond the call of duty in action against the enemy. He was in charge of an engineer demolition squad attached to an infantry company which was committed to dislodge the enemy from a vital hill. Realizing that the heavy fighting and intense enemy fire made it impossible to carry out his mission, he voluntarily employed his unit as a rifle squad and, forging up the steep barren slope, participated in the assault on hostile positions. When an artillery round exploded on the roof of an enemy bunker, he courageously ran forward and leaped into the position, killing 1 hostile infantryman and taking another prisoner. Later in the action, when friendly forces were pinned down by vicious fire from another enemy bunker, he dashed through the hail of fire, hurled grenades in the nearest aperture, then ran to the doorway and emptied his pistol, killing the remainder of the enemy. His brave action neutralized the position and enabled friendly troops to continue their advance to the crest of the hill. When the enemy counterattacked he constantly exposed himself to the heavy bombardment to direct the fire of his men and to call in an effective artillery barrage on hostile forces. Although the company was relieved early the following morning, he voluntarily remained in the area, manned a machine gun for several hours, and subsequently joined another assault on enemy emplacements. When last seen he was operating an automatic rifle with devastating effect until mortally wounded by artillery fire. Cpl. Schoonover's heroic leadership during 2 days of heavy fighting, superb personal bravery, and willing self-sacrifice inspired his comrades and saved many lives, reflecting lasting glory upon himself and upholding the honored traditions of the military service
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AMERICAN AEROSPACE EVENTS for July 10, 2020 FIRSTS, LASTS, AND SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENTS. THANKS TO HAROLD "PHIL" MYERS CHIEF HISTORIAN AIR FORCE INTELLIGENCE, SURVEILLANCE, AND RECONNAISSANCE AGENCY
10 July
1910: Walter Brookins became the first American aviator to reach one mile in altitude, when he flew a Wright Biplane to 6,259 feet at Atlantic City, N. J. He set an FAI altitude record and won the Atlantic City Aero Club prize of $5,000. (9)
1911: Lt Frank P. Lahm won the National Balloon Race by traveling 772.5 kilometers from Kansas City, Mo., to La Paz, Ind. (24)
1935: Bell Aircraft company founded.
1938: Through 14 July, Howard Hughes and his four-man crew started an around-the-world flight from New York. They stopped their Lockheed Model 14 Super Electra passenger aircraft in Paris, Moscow, Omsk, Yakutak, Fairbanks, Minneapolis, and returned to New York. They covered the 14,791 miles in 3 days 19 hours 8 minutes. (9) (24)
1943: Allied airborne troops landed at Gela and Syracuse, Sicily, in the first large-scale airborne operation attempted by the allies in World War II. (24)
1945: The last aircraft carrier action of World War II began with attacks against targets in the Japanese home islands. (24)
1950: KOREAN WAR. Fifth Air Force started using T-6 trainers for the forward air control mission, because the liaison aircraft were too slow to evade enemy fire. When an enemy convoy stopped at a bombed-out bridge near Pyongtaek, F-80s, B-26s, and F-82s attacked and claimed the destruction of 117 trucks, 38 tanks, and 7 halftracks. (28) A joint USAF and Royal Canadian Air Force conference agreed to erect the Pinetree radar network on Canadian soil. (24)
1951: KOREAN WAR. A flight of F-80s reported a long N. Korean Army convoy of trucks and tanks halted by a demolished bridge. Fifth Air Force diverted every available aircraft to attack with bombs, rockets, and gunfire, resulting in the destruction of over 150 vehicles, a third of them tanks. (28)
1952: KOREAN WAR. Beginning this date, over the next three weeks the 315th Air Division airlifted the 474th Fighter-Bomber Wing from Misawa AB, Japan, to Kunsan AB, S. Korea, the largest unit movement by air to date. (28)
1959: The first Red Richard unit relocation began. This program withdrew atomic-capable USAFE units from France. (4)
1961: The Air Force conducted a test to see how far a pilot could fly using radar navigation under simulated combat conditions. For this test, an F-105D flew a 1,520-mile nonstop blind flight at altitudes between 500 and 1,000 feet. (24)
1962: NASA used a Delta rocket booster to launch Telestar I, the world's first experimental commercial communications satellite (AT&T). (24) 1965: Two 45 TFS aircrews, flying McDonnell-Douglas F-4C Phantom IIs from Ubon RTAFB, used Sidewinder missiles to shoot down two MiG-17s some 75 miles northwest of Hanoi. These were the first enemy jets shot down in air-to-air combat over North Vietnam. (17)
1965: Two 45 TFS aircrews flying McDonnell-Douglas F-4C Phantom IIs 0ut of Ubon RTAFB, used Sidewinder missiles to shoot down two MiG-17s some 75 miles northwest of Hanoi. These were the first enemy jets confirmed shot down in air-to-air combat over North Vietnam by a USAF crew. By 1966, the F-4s were camouflaged
1966: William R. Berry flew his Raven S50R balloon to an FAI altitude record of 18,980 feet for subclass AX-7 balloon (1,600 to 2,200 cubic meters) at Livermore, Calif. (9)
1968: The DoD stopped the Navy's F-111B development program, following a budget reduction.
1971: The Aeronautical Systems Division announced a decision to proceed with the full-scale development of the Subsonic Cruise Armed Decoy (SCAD) missile.
1979: Exercise GLOBAL SHIELD. During this annual exercise, SAC launched two Minuteman III ICBMs from Vandenberg AFB. One mission, Glory Trip 40GM, was the last Phase I Minuteman III flight test. (1)
1980: Exercise PROUD PHANTOM. Through 3 October, 12 F-4Es flew from Moody AFB to Cairo to participate in the exercise. It was the USAF's first tactical deployment to Egypt. (16) (26)
1991: The final FB-111A flight is made from Plattsburgh, New York to Davis Monthan AFB, Arizona, where the aircraft will be placed in storage.
Dropped from inventory by transfer to the Strategic Air & Space Museum. FB-111A, S/N 68-0267 was one of the last four FB-111s taking off from Plattsburgh AFB, New York on that date, thus ending their careers with SAC.
1998: Col Teresa M. "Marné" Peterson became the first active duty woman to command an operational flying wing when she assumed leadership of the 14 FTW at Columbus AFB, Miss.
2002: A C-5 from the 436 AW left Dover AFB for Kabul, Afghanistan, with 13,115 pounds of school supplies collected by children from 58 American schools. (22) The USAF lost a second Global Hawk (AV-4) in a combat zone. An engine component failed, causing further internal damage to the engine, and the UAV was destroyed while making an emergency landing in Pakistan. (3) Through 11 July, the 210th Rescue Squadron (Alaska ANG), using an HC-130 tanker and an HH-60 helicopter, rescued a seriously-ill Filipino sailor from his ship 1,000 miles at sea and delivered him to a hospital at Kodiak. The mission lasted about 26 hours. (32)
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Thanks to Brett
The Left Knows Leftism Doesn't Work
If Biden and his handlers have taught us anything, human nature cannot be fooled, and the current four-year experiment will have to end before it ends us—and soon.
By Victor Davis Hanson
June 10, 2024
Do not expect the radical left to survey the wreckage of socialism and communism in history and accept that statism impoverishes people and erodes their freedoms. There will never be admissions by our elite that progressivism exists mainly for the acquisition of power by the utopian and virtue-signaling few, who ensure that they are never subject to the baleful implementation of their ideological agendas on the rest of us.
Still, leftists look around at what they have done to America in the last four years and implicitly know that the plan did not work, the people detested it, or both.
How do we know this? By a variety of barometers.
None of the major Biden "achievements"—10 million illegal aliens across a nonexistent border, key components of the cost of living 25-30 percent higher than in 2020, wars and chaos abroad, DEI racial and tribal obsessions, wars on fossil fuels—poll at even 40-45 percent. Biden's own approval ratings, as the nominal architect of the most left-wing agenda since the Roosevelt administration, hover between 36 and 34 percent.
But most importantly, the left is not running on its record of the last three-and-a-half years but instead studiously ignoring it, at least temporarily through November. Suddenly, we aren't hearing so much about cancelling pipelines and freezing federal oil leases, or so much demonization of the "greedy" oil companies. Instead, Biden is further draining the strategic petroleum reserve and begging OPEC in general and the no-longer-demonized Saudi Arabia in particular to pump oil as fast as possible.
We were lied to for nearly four years that the border was "secure," as 10 million foreign nationals flooded across. Then we were told Biden was helpless to stop the deluge since he had no legal right to enforce federal immigration law through executive orders—a ridiculous excuse that even he would soon drop. Despite their eagerness for new constituencies, no one on the left dares to openly praise the influx of the last four years, much less demand more illegal immigration.
Instead, as November looms, Biden is suddenly reinstating the very Trump executive orders that once, despite deep state and court obstruction, finally closed the border—and which Biden himself had originally overturned. Note that Biden is now partnering with the Mexican government—which terribly fears another Trump presidency endangering Mexico's annual $60 billion in remittances from mostly illegal aliens in the United States—to curb some of the illegal immigration before the November election.
The administration's pandering at election time is a de facto admission that its agendas did not work, permanently alienated the people they hurt, and are now being forgotten or reversed—albeit temporarily—to retain power at all costs.
Few on the left praise the disastrous COVID lockdown, the canonization of Dr. Fauci, the mask and social-distancing craze, and the gospel that endless boosters were necessary to protect Americans. Even the left, although again quietly, assumes that the lockdowns did more damage than the virus, that Dr. Fauci repeatedly lied when he swore he did not subsidize gain-of-function viral research at the Chinese top-security virology lab at Wuhan, and that the virus came not from the lab but from a wandering pangolin or errant bat.
Biden and his supporters are no longer blaming or firing the police but rather trying (albeit quietly) to get more law-enforcement officers to serve—given the predictable crime wave that followed the George Floyd riots.
Ditto for all the left-wing hysterias of the last eight years. No one any longer claims that Christopher Steele's dossier was factual. No one insists that Hunter Biden's laptop was likely "Russian disinformation", or that "Anonymous" was a courageous "top-ranking" administration official. All these hysterias, it is tacitly admitted, were cooked-up left-wing canards to emasculate the Trump candidacy and presidency.
Outside of politics, leftists are quiet as their failed bromides are being undone. The idea of the FBI partnering with social media to suppress politically-dangerous news is something the left is not eager to repeat.
The same recognition is beginning to apply to the lawfare waged against Donald Trump. Jack Smith's crusade to get Trump is undermined by prosecutorial misbehavior concerning the evidence seized at Mar-a-Lago and by the asymmetrical treatment by another special counsel accorded Biden in comparison with Trump. Smith's efforts to speed up the trial before the election only made his persecution more politically transparent.
Fani Willis's outrageous behavior will likely delay indefinitely her weaponized indictments. The James and Bragg convictions will likely be overturned and were intended mostly to embarrass Trump, bankrupt him, and harm his presidential campaign.
All of the left's once-grandiose ideas of packing the Supreme Court, ending the filibuster, admitting two new states to win four more liberal senators, and destroying the Electoral College have little public support and will go nowhere. Corporations like Disney, Target, and Anheuser-Busch have all begun backtracking on their money-losing, market-share-eroding woke/DEI agendas.
Universities are terrified that their endowment income is either static or in decline, given a rising drop-off in public and alumni giving. They know their race-based, non-meritocratic admissions and hiring are increasingly destroying their brand names. To accommodate their new non-meritocratic student bodies, they have variously inflated their grades to the point of parody, watered down work requirements, or introduced gut courses—and as a result, they are quickly losing their once-coveted prestige. Some campuses are already reinstating the SAT and ACT requirements that were thrown out in 2020-21 in the hysteria that followed the death of George Floyd. Harvard and Stanford aren't boasting that the erasure of the SAT created a more competitive student body and raised standards to new levels.
The twin ideas of foreign-funded Middle-Eastern-studies centers and of admitting tens of thousands of affluent, full-tuition-paying Middle-Eastern students led to institutionalized anti-Semitism on campus and eliminationist rhetoric right out of the old Klan playbook. The appeasement by university presidencies only whets the appetites of those who unlawfully occupy, vandalize, deface, and disrupt. Their pro-terrorist chants and emblems are bleeding the universities of billions of dollars in lost donations.
In short, the policies that the left has given us over the last years—hyperinflation, spiking staple and gas prices, racial and tribal chauvinism, dangerous streets, an emasculated and politicized military, and wars abroad—did not work, and are now being masked to retain power, put on hold, or even reversed.
The reasons for the failure are ancient, given that socialism and progressivism are contrary to human nature.
Borders are essential to national sovereignty and confidence and delineate the unique values, traditions, and customs of a people, without which they revert to mere tribes without social commonalities and political cohesion. No society can pick and choose which national laws are enforced and which ignored—and still remain a nation of laws.
People obey laws because, in a cost-benefit analysis, they fear the consequences of lawbreaking. Otherwise, the laws of the wild prevail and the strongest dictate to the weaker. Citizens must be discouraged, not encouraged, from favoring their own tribe and race, tribalism being the oldest of human biases. Money is not a construct but represents the real value of capital and labor and cannot be printed into national wealth. Abroad, most nations are illiberal and their aggressiveness is deterred only through guarantees that they will lose more than they will gain through war.
We sometimes forget all that unpleasant human baggage, due to irrelevant distractions, or the utopianism that is the handmaiden of affluence and leisure. Often, the opulence and freedom arising from free-market economies and limited constitutional government create so much prosperity and liberty that its beneficiaries believe such good fortune to be their natural and commonplace birthright and so begin destroying the very system that blessed them.
But if Biden and his handlers have taught us anything, human nature cannot be fooled, and the current four-year experiment will have to end before it ends us—and soon.
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